1. How do you interpret your own success? 你怎么看待自己现在
的成功？
First, how do you define \"success\"? If you define yourself as a successful person, you need to achieve something, which can be beneficial to yourself and to others. I am not successful because of who I am. I'm lucky for who I am and what I am. 首先，你该如何定义“成功”？如果你把自己定义为一个成功人士，你需要达到某些成就，这些成就不仅于自己有利，更要能够帮助他人。我不因我现在的状态感到成功。我为我现在的状态和工作内容感到幸运。
2. Your rise in popularity... Did you see this coming? 你几乎是一
夜成名， 之前有过预设吗？
We were like walking in a total darkness with no hint, with no hope, with no reinforcement. 我们曾经在一片黑暗中踽踽前行，没有提示，没有希望，没有增援。 With no direction. 没有方向。
With no direction. At the beginning, my introduction like 10% was about the products. Other than that, I told something about literature, geography, history, poetry
which they didn't care. Haha. 没有方向。刚开始，我的直播间只有大概一成的内容是关于产品的。除此之外，我讲述的内容的都是文学、地理、历史、诗歌，但网友们不在乎，哈哈。 3.
Your audience didn't care? 观众们也不在乎吗？
At that time, nobody cared. Until one day, last June, yeah, June 9th. That morning. Magically. 当时，没有人在乎。但就在那一天，去年六月， 6月9日， 那天早上，毫无征兆。 Just overnight. 一夜之间。
Yeah, thousands of people flooded in. And they seemed to be interested about my introduction, about Shakes bear, you know. I was reading Shakespeare's poem, sonnet. \"Shall I compare thee to a summer's day? Thou art more...\"They were interested. I didn't know the reason why. 没错， 成千上万的网友突然涌进直播间。他们似乎对我的介绍更感兴趣。我正在讲莎士比亚。当时我正在读一首莎士比亚的诗，十四行诗，“我可否将你比作夏日？你可比夏日更加...” 网友们兴致勃勃，我都不知道为什么。
4. And that was your magic moment. 那就是你的奇迹时刻。
Totally magic moment. For no reason. I cannot figure out the reason until now. So, I can say I'm lucky. 绝对的奇迹时
刻，没有任何理由。直到现在，搞不清楚这是为什么。所以，我说，我只是幸运。
5. You keep saying you're the lucky person. But then for some
you seem to be the gifted person, because there are so many people who like you... 你一直说你是一个幸运的人，但许多人认为你很有天赋，因为有很多人喜欢你...... I'm not gifted. 我没有天赋。
6. Your english speaking and you used to be a teacher. Did you
take a lot of effort to look effortless? 你会说英语，你曾经是一名老师。你是不是花了好多力气才看起来毫不费力？
I don't think I am gifted. No, I'm not talented. I started to learn English in my junior high. At that time, I cannot spell the 26 letters in alphabet. You know, I even made mistakes about them. So I was very angry about my self with too much frustration. I tried to memorize the words, and I tried to write them down on my hand, you know, when I walk on the way, I see and I memorize, I try to repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat all the time. Elephant, elephant, elephant, restaurant, restaurant, restaurant. Stupid, right? But that was the way I chose. So do you still think I'm talented or gifted? No. come on. 我不认为我是个有天赋的人。不认为，我就是没有天赋。我从
初中才开始学英语，那时我甚至不知道怎么拼写字母表里的26个字母。我连最基本的字母都会写错。所以我那时对自己很生气，很沮丧。我尝试着背单词 ，我试着把它们写在手上，每当我走路的时候，我就看看并熟记，一遍遍重复，一直重复。大象，大象，大象，餐馆，餐馆，餐馆。听起来很蠢，对吧？但那就是我的方式。所以你还认为我有天赋吗？别开玩笑了，并没有。
7. You turned down many better paid job offers, why did you
do that? 你拒绝了很多薪水更高的工作邀请，为什么这么做？ I didn't need them. I didn't need them. This is my first reaction to these offers. Yeah, very highly paid, very highly paid, you know. But I don't need that. I mean, I have a clear intuition that if I get too much, I need to work too much. I may need to persuade people to buy too many things that they don't need. Well, this is definitely against my values, which is wrong to me. I cannot convince myself to do that. Very simple reason. And also many companions who I like working with here. 我不需要它们。我不需要，这是我对这些工作邀约的第一反应。是的，薪水很高，薪水确实很高，但我不需要。我有一个明确的直觉，如果我得到太多，我就得进行更多工作。随之而来的是我可能需要说服人买太多东西，他们不需要的东西。这绝对违背了我的价值观，这对我来说是错误的，我无法说服
自己那样做，原因很简单，以及我还有很多我喜欢的同伴，他们也在这里工作。
8. Does your current job make you happy? 你现在的工作让你快
乐吗？
A part of, yeah. I cannot say the whole thing, no. I don't enjoy selling people things honestly. 部分来看，是肯定的。但我不能说方方面面皆是如此。坦白讲，我不喜欢向别人推销东西。 9. Still.现在还是这样吗？
Still. I cannot enjoy people buy too many things just because they love me. 是的，我无法享受人们过量购买，仅仅是出于对我的喜爱。
10. You consider that a bad thing? 你认为这是件坏事吗？
That is definitely vicious. That is not correct. I cannot take merits from that process. Buying things necessary makes your life good, but buying too many things which you don't need, sucks. 这对他们自身而言肯定是不好的，这是不对的。我不能就这种事情引以为豪。购买必需品可以让你的生活变得美好，但是买太多根本不需要的东西，太糟了。
11. The value you mentioned, once you could exert a certain
influence on people and to really promote your values, but
then what are some of the values that you hold dear to, when you're trying to promote to your followers? 你提到你的价值观，你认为应该利用自己的影响去提倡好的价值观，那么你所珍视的价值观是什么呢？你希望向粉丝们传递怎样的观点？ My values mainly come from my education, and also, a major part from my family, from my parents. First, you need to have a correct attitude towards your life, like money is not the major thing, or money is not the first and the most important thing in your life. But, telling people these points is not easy, to be honest. 我的价值观主要源于我的教育，这也是我从父母、家人身上得到的最主要的东西。首先，你需要对自己的生活有一个正确的态度， 钱没有那么重要，或者说金钱不是你生命中最重要的事情。但是，告诉人们这些观点并不容易。 12. It is becoming increasingly difficult, right? Because people
now are enjoying greater material affluence and they tend to live a fast-paced life. It takes them a lot of effort to really slow down. 而且越来越困难，没错吧？因为人们现在受到更大的物质影响，并享受其中，往往过着快节奏的生活，他们需要付出的努力才能真正慢下来。
Yeah, I mean, enough material support is beneficial to your life. I admit, for everybody. But you know, if you want to be
really rich, people worry. When you do want something very much, it makes you unhappy, makes you hesitate, and makes you make really bad choice for your life. So this is the first thing. I mean, money is good, but you still need to think clear. What do you want for your life? People are too busy to read a book, to enjoy that afternoon just with the companion of several books. So they need to manage their life. 足够的物质支持对你的生活有益，我承认，对所有人来说都是如此。但一旦人们想变得富有，他们就会发愁。当你确实非常想要一些东西时，这个念头会让你不开心，它让你犹豫不决，让你对你的生活做出非常糟糕的选择。这是我的第一个观点。钱是好的，但首先你还需要想清楚，你的生活想要什么。人们现在忙得无暇阅读，无暇与几本书为伴，享受一个悠闲的午后。所以他们需要一点点生活管理。
13. Yeah, you just talked about reading books, literature, and
that really has shaped you in a great way. Do you still take pleasure in reading now that your schedule is packed with traveling? 你刚刚谈到读书，文学在很大程度上塑造了你。你现在还能从阅读中获得愉悦吗，鉴于你现在的行程拍的满满当当？ Definitely. Yeah, I enjoy reading. 肯定的，我很享受阅读。
14. Do you still find peace in reading? 你还能在阅读中获得平静
吗？
Yeah, I should say this can be my only way to find peace for my life currently. Reading books constructs a bridge between you and other people, you know. So books makes my life rich. So last year, I tried to introduce a good book to others, which is called \"The Last Quarter of the Moon.\" I have only some 80 or 70 years for this life, the continents, the stags. But I can experience them. I can feel them from the books. And also, sometimes books can give you strength, give you confidence, give you ideas, basically, I think it can give you most of the things you need, other that money, you know. 当然，就我现在的生活而言，可以说这是我获得平静的唯一途径。读书在你和他人之间架起一座桥梁，书本充实了我的生活。去年，我尝试把一本好书推荐给大家，《额尔古纳河右岸》。我这一生不过七八十年光景，弹指一挥间，不足以览遍大洋大州，看尽人世繁华，但是我能从书中经历这一切，体验不同的人生感受。有时，书也能给你力量，给你信心，给你灵感想法。我认为人可以从书籍中获得大部分需要的东西，除了钱。 Just like the English writer Somerset Maugham has said that, you know, to acquire the habit of reading, is to some extent construct for yourself a refuge from different miseries of
life. 正如英国作家萨默塞特.毛姆所说，就相当于为自己建造了一个避难所，将各种生活的苦隔绝在外。
Yeah, we are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at stars. Books are the stars. 我们都生活在阴沟里，但仍有人在仰望星空，书就是星星。
15. A lot of viewers like you because they see there's a strong
sense of cultural identity. What does the Chinese culture, Chinese identity signify to you? Why are they important for the younger generation that you're interacting with? 很多观众喜欢你，因为他们看到一种强烈的文化认同感。中华文化以及这种身份认同，对你而言意味着什么？为什么说这对与你互动的年轻一代来说十分重要？
I am born and raised in this country. With its tradition, with its cultural identity, I am a Chinese first. The books about Confucius... They benefited me the most when I was a child. When I say open minded to others, I actually mean you need to accept any kind of feedbacks from the internet, from the environment you are in. On the internet, you find most of the things are superficial. Basically showing off, very stupid repetition of some kind of gestures. I don't think it's meaningful. Sometimes we're too sensitive. \"I don't want to
be criticized.\" \"I just want to be flattered.\" \"I just want to be praised.\" Come on. Stupid. I am not perfect. After you realize that you are not perfect, you get confidence, to be honest. But you still need to stick to your own principles. You can not be changed very easily. Now you are brave to face anything, say anything you want. 我在这片土地出生长大，我受益于它的传统和文化认同。我首先是一个中国人，与孔子相关的著作让我从小收益匪浅。于是当我向他人谈到开放的心态时，我其实想说的是一种豁达的观念，比如你需要平和看待来自互联网，或你所处环境给你的任何一种反馈。你会发现网上大多数事情都流于表面，基本上都是炫耀。糊里糊涂地重复一些姿势和动作，我不认为那有什么意义。有时我们过于敏感，“我不想被批评”，“我只想被厚爱”，“我只想被称赞” ，想什么呢！我不是完美的人。当你认识到你不完美时，说真的，你就能变得自信。但你仍需要坚持自己的原则，你不能轻易被改变。现在你能够勇敢地面对任何事情了，随外界怎么说。
16. So, in a way you are becoming more mature of accepting
criticism compared to when you were a teacher. 所以现在的你，与当老师时相比，在接受批评这方面变得更加成熟了。 Definitely. Yeah. You can still find very unfriendly feedback from the internet for me. I heard it. I saw it. I know. I don't
care. I am still me, myself. There was a person who typed \"You are so ugly. Why are you here?\" for the whole night. 确实是这样。你还是可以在网上找到很多对我不友好的评论。我听到了，看到了，知道，我不在乎，我还是原来的我。原来有个网友，打字评论我丑，说我凭什么出现在这里，这么两句话，他打字评论了一晚上。
17. Did that hurt your feelings? 这会让你感到难过吗？
At first, yeah. Well, I realized I wasn't good looking at all, I mean. 刚开始会的。但怎么说呢，其实我确实也不那么好看吧。 18. But then once you joked on your live streaming show, some
followers say that you resemble the Terracotta Warriors. 但后来当你在你的直播间开玩笑，有些人说你长得像兵马俑。 Yeah, I do like a Terracotta Warrior which is my privilege, definitely my privilege. 是的，我确实像个兵马俑，我为此感到骄傲，真的，我很骄傲。
19. Yeah. That's certainly a nice way... 人们这样看待你当然很好，
When you see me, you see history, okay, I don't care. You are not perfect too. Come on. You're just being mean. I'm just being kind. 当你看到了我，你就看到了历史。我不在乎。你也不完美，好吗？你选择你的刻薄，我坚持我的友善。
20. And you become free of all the biases. There's a lot of
discussion right now, about the involution of this
generation, which is characterized by fast paced lifestyle and fierce competition with your peers. And already at a very young age, people are tired and lost, what will be your advice to this generation, to this involution generation? 同时你也从所有偏见中解脱出来。现在有很多讨论关于这一代人的内卷，其特征体现在快节奏的生活方式和与同龄人的激烈竞争，而且在人们很年轻的时候，就已经感到疲惫和失落。你对这一代人有什么建议， 对这身陷内卷的一代人?
Well, first, you need to be focused. At most conditions, people are distracted by too much advice, by too many proposals and by too many ideas. I don't think we need to know too much. When you think too much, you act too little. So be focused, be simple-minded. Second, you need to be determined, we don't know what kind of future life holds for you. You can hesitate. You can doubt yourself. But please do not stop, OK? Continue to move, don't give up easily, I don't say never stop. Don't give up easily. We live in an age when everything changes so fast. Please do not predict the future, shape the future or make the future. Don't expect yourself to make the correct choice all the time, but follow
the trend faster. And third I think, you do need to be open minded and to collect your ideas to put your words in your way, instead of listening to too many voices from around. Cause everybody is trying to tell you what you should do. But that is your life, you need to make your own choice. 第一，你需要集中注意力。在大多数情况下，人们都很容易分心，因为听到太多建议，太多的想法，太多的观点而分心。我认为我们不需要知道太多。想很多的时候，你就会做很少，所以要专注，要天真一点。其次，你需要下定决心。我们不知道未来的生活会怎样，你可以犹豫徘徊，你可以自我怀疑，但请不要停在原地，好吗？继续前进，不要轻易放弃，不是说永不停歇，不要太轻易放弃。我们生活在一个变化很快的时代，请不要预测未来，去塑造未来或改变未来。不要期待自己总会做出正确的决定，但是请紧随潮流变化。第三，我认为你需要思想开明，总结你的想法，用你自己的方式来表达，而不是一味地听太多来自周围的声音，因为每个人都在试图告诉你你应该做什么。但这是你的生活，你需要自己做出自己的选择。
21. And men are constantly searching for meaning. There needs
to be a sense of purpose to keep you going, to keep you strong. Have you found that purpose?人们总是不断地找寻意义，人需要一种目标感，以此获得动力，保持坚强。你找到那个目
标了吗？
I think so. Making more people's life better with my own ability provides meaning to me. From my previous education, I think I'm a person with mission, the previous literati in history told you that if you are still poor, please manage your life very well. But if you have the chance to do something, benefit yourself and others. I still consider the chance, my fame or the social attention paid to me, that was something the fate has chosen to give me and make me to do correct things instead of making profit for myself. For a reason, come on. I am not so good looking, I'm not tall. I'm handsome? Not handsome. Why that was me? There's gotta be a reason, why I was the chosen one? 我想是的。以我自己的能力，让更多人的生活变得更好，这赋予我意义。因为我以前受到的教育，使我成为了一个肩负责任的人，过往的文人和历史告诉我们，穷则独善其身，达则兼济天下。我还是认为这些名气和社会关注带给我的机会，是命运有意为之，是命运让我去做正确事情的，而不是为自己谋划。总得有个原因吧，我长得不好看，又不高，我帅吗？也不帅。为什么是我？一定有原因，为什么命运会选中我。
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